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	<title>Comments on: To a Mother Concerned About File Sharing</title>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://blog.tincatland.com/blog/2009/04/16/to-a-mother-concerned-about-file-sharing/comment-page-1/#comment-1591</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yum, cloned ice cream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yum, cloned ice cream.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.tincatland.com/blog/2009/04/16/to-a-mother-concerned-about-file-sharing/comment-page-1/#comment-1452</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because it doesn't cost the people who made the recording any "extra" money when someone downloads, doesn't mean it isn't theft.  If it weren't so easy and consequence free to acquire music files that you don't pay for, then you'd be forced to either pay for it, or just not acquire it.  Substitute some kind of "cloned" ice cream and it works the same: ice cream sales drop as a direct result of people acquiring something without paying for it.  There's no other word for this except theft.

That said, if you read my post then you know that I don't favor cracking down on file-sharing because I recognize the advantages of being able to distribute music this way.  And now that people are used to music being basically free, they aren't going to be able to go back to the old way without some serious backlash.  We just need to account for the fact that the internet and computer companies are already making money on this and force them to fork it over to the people who actually spent time and money making the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because it doesn&#8217;t cost the people who made the recording any &#8220;extra&#8221; money when someone downloads, doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t theft.  If it weren&#8217;t so easy and consequence free to acquire music files that you don&#8217;t pay for, then you&#8217;d be forced to either pay for it, or just not acquire it.  Substitute some kind of &#8220;cloned&#8221; ice cream and it works the same: ice cream sales drop as a direct result of people acquiring something without paying for it.  There&#8217;s no other word for this except theft.</p>
<p>That said, if you read my post then you know that I don&#8217;t favor cracking down on file-sharing because I recognize the advantages of being able to distribute music this way.  And now that people are used to music being basically free, they aren&#8217;t going to be able to go back to the old way without some serious backlash.  We just need to account for the fact that the internet and computer companies are already making money on this and force them to fork it over to the people who actually spent time and money making the music.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://blog.tincatland.com/blog/2009/04/16/to-a-mother-concerned-about-file-sharing/comment-page-1/#comment-1385</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alex. Thanks for reading my post and taking the time to comment. You're right, I don't think people should steal ice cream. I just don't think copying digital music is the same thing.

If I'm in the ice cream business, each unit of ice cream costs me time and money to manufacture and distribute. If you steal a carton from me, that's one more carton I have to buy ingredients and packaging for, put together, and ship in a freezer to your local supermarket.

Here in the music business, if you copy my CD from your friend, or download it with LimeWire, that act doesn't cost me a cent or a second. You can say it costs me the money I would have made if you'd bought it, but "I didn't make some money I would like to have made" is very different from "you took something away from me".

(Fundamentally, when you steal something from me, you deprive me of the thing I had. But when you copy something I have, I still have it. That's a stark distinction, and it's why we have separate laws for copyright and for theft.)

Now, you know I'm not saying it doesn't cost anything to make music. It takes time and money to record, not to mention buying instruments and other gear, and, except for the rawest punks, years of lessons and practice. But once I've put all that time and money into it, the added cost to me of each downloaded MP3 is zero. That's just not the same cost structure as ice cream.

I'm all in favor of musicians making money - I'm trying to make some myself. I just think we need to look at how to make it. What works for ice cream may not work for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex. Thanks for reading my post and taking the time to comment. You&#8217;re right, I don&#8217;t think people should steal ice cream. I just don&#8217;t think copying digital music is the same thing.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m in the ice cream business, each unit of ice cream costs me time and money to manufacture and distribute. If you steal a carton from me, that&#8217;s one more carton I have to buy ingredients and packaging for, put together, and ship in a freezer to your local supermarket.</p>
<p>Here in the music business, if you copy my CD from your friend, or download it with LimeWire, that act doesn&#8217;t cost me a cent or a second. You can say it costs me the money I would have made if you&#8217;d bought it, but &#8220;I didn&#8217;t make some money I would like to have made&#8221; is very different from &#8220;you took something away from me&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Fundamentally, when you steal something from me, you deprive me of the thing I had. But when you copy something I have, I still have it. That&#8217;s a stark distinction, and it&#8217;s why we have separate laws for copyright and for theft.)</p>
<p>Now, you know I&#8217;m not saying it doesn&#8217;t cost anything to make music. It takes time and money to record, not to mention buying instruments and other gear, and, except for the rawest punks, years of lessons and practice. But once I&#8217;ve put all that time and money into it, the added cost to me of each downloaded MP3 is zero. That&#8217;s just not the same cost structure as ice cream.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in favor of musicians making money - I&#8217;m trying to make some myself. I just think we need to look at how to make it. What works for ice cream may not work for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://blog.tincatland.com/blog/2009/04/16/to-a-mother-concerned-about-file-sharing/comment-page-1/#comment-1339</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a nice idea to support musicians.  But take the analogy I used in my own response to this question: if this were the ice cream business, and ice cream theft and unlawful "sharing" were prevalent, would you suggest that it's ok for people steal ice cream that they really like so long as they share it with their friends and spread the word about how great it is?  This seems to be the position a lot of musicians and fans are taking but once you substitute another product for CD's, it sounds pretty lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a nice idea to support musicians.  But take the analogy I used in my own response to this question: if this were the ice cream business, and ice cream theft and unlawful &#8220;sharing&#8221; were prevalent, would you suggest that it&#8217;s ok for people steal ice cream that they really like so long as they share it with their friends and spread the word about how great it is?  This seems to be the position a lot of musicians and fans are taking but once you substitute another product for CD&#8217;s, it sounds pretty lame.</p>
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		<title>By: John Riley</title>
		<link>http://blog.tincatland.com/blog/2009/04/16/to-a-mother-concerned-about-file-sharing/comment-page-1/#comment-1096</link>
		<dc:creator>John Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't have said it better myself!  Support the musicians you love and please help keep music in schools!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself!  Support the musicians you love and please help keep music in schools!</p>
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